E31: Science vs. Woo: A Comedian's Unfiltered Take on the Ridiculousness of Spirituality - with Niall Mackay
Science vs. Spirituality: Do We Really Have to Choose?
The tension between science and spirituality has been around for centuries. Science demands evidence; spirituality asks us to trust what we can’t always see. So which one do we rely on when it comes to finding meaning in our lives?
In this episode, comedian Niall Mackay joins Janelle for a frank — and hilarious — debate about the validity of spirituality. Niall takes a no-nonsense approach, dismissing anything that can’t be proven, while Janelle explores the idea that perhaps science and spirituality don’t have to compete at all — maybe they can work together to create a fuller picture of the human experience.
The Case for Science
Science gives us structure. It offers data, repeatable experiments, and evidence-based understanding of the world. It tells us what’s measurable and explainable — and in many ways, it keeps us grounded.
It provides reliable methods for uncovering truth.
It helps us understand the physical and biological foundations of life.
It avoids personal bias by focusing on observable evidence.
But as Niall points out, science doesn’t always leave room for the intangible — like love, purpose, or meaning.
The Case for Spirituality
Spirituality invites us to explore what can’t always be measured — our sense of connection, consciousness, and personal meaning. It encourages curiosity about what lies beyond data, without necessarily demanding proof.
It provides frameworks for purpose and morality.
It explores consciousness and inner experience in ways science can’t.
It offers comfort and meaning in times of uncertainty.
Are They Really Opposites?
Rather than seeing science and spirituality as enemies, this conversation explores them as two sides of the same coin — both searching for understanding, just in different ways. Science looks outward; spirituality looks inward. When combined, they can give us a more holistic view of life’s biggest questions.
Try This at Home: Examine Your Belief Spectrum
Where do you naturally lean — toward evidence or intuition?
Can you identify moments when science helped you understand something important?
Can you identify moments when spirituality (or faith in something unseen) helped you cope or grow?
Where might the two overlap in your life, offering balance instead of conflict?
The takeaway: You don’t have to choose between science and spirituality. Both can enrich your understanding of the world — and yourself — if you allow them to coexist.
How to Connect with Niall Mackay
To connect with Niall, visit his website.
You can also listen to the Human Being Project podcast audit on Niall's podcast, Smarter Podcasting.